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  1. I can’t comment on any of the guesses as I read and wrote about the book twice (once as a teen and again as an undergrad) although, I still seem to have forgotten some details (I’ve read in reviews there is one major change near the very end from the book, but I’m not sure I’d recognize it…)

    I have a question though, maybe someone can help me with. The dream sequence (which, in your great review, you still somehow failed to even mention!). She has four men physically dominating her–first Jamie, then the guy who got Nancy pregnant, then Kinnear and then… someone I wasn’t sure who it was. Was it her father? I couldn’t see him clear enough, but that’s the only option that would make sense. Ideas?

    1. I see McDermott, George, Kinnear, then it would have to be her dad since I do believe that dream was solely about those who have lusted for her. If it was about men she fancied, Jeremiah would have been included.

      1. Amari, a woman’s virtue determined what people thought of her at that time. The time table has Nancy giving birth, the baby presumably dying, and then Mr Kinnear taking her in so don’t think that the first baby was Mr Kinnear’s but the second one definitely is. McDermott’s hatred of Nancy due to her indiscretions is beyond the pale even for the times.

        If Nancy was carrying McDermott’s baby, she would be unmarried not knowing whether he was alive or dead at the time – and, if she was employed at the time, she wasn’t after her condition became obvious – and Mr. Kinnear was the only person who would hire her when no one else would. When Mary was discussing her options with Grace, the work house and prostitution came up – the abortion being an attempt of keeping her indiscretions secret and, thus, keeping her job. Nancy was facing the same choices the first time and saw Mr Kinnear the better option – he treated her well and rewarded her handsomely for her extra duties.

        Not sure whether Grace sees talking to Dr Jordan as a way to spend time outside of the jail or a means of getting out of jail – either way, appearing more “virtuous” is to her benefit to keep on his good side. Grace has admitted to two memory lapses that we know of and of a dream of being outside which, at its very minimum was a walking in her sleep – and possibly partially a dream and partially a memory lapse. Then there is the fact that she usually makes sure the sheets stayed on the line and they flew into the trees – did she have a lapse then?

        Jeremiah worked in a carnival, then as a peddler (one that the maids at Grace’s old place trusted to a certain extent as well as liking the entertainment) and now he is thinking of doing carnaval-type work again in the USA. Being a peddler allowed him to hear things is one possibility. Something may have happened to the supplier is another – and Jeremiah’s time table seems to be consistent to getting rid of inventory before he leaves.

        Jeremiah could be the sort that doesn’t like to be tied down – or he could have had trouble in the past which may eventually catch up to him if he stays put too long (or does something that requires a legal document such as a marriage or birth certificate). His concern seems to be getting Grace out of a bad situation and securing an assistant – he could be as bad as the rest, but don’t think so. Jeremiah seems to infer that being married doesn’t guarantee that one will not be abandoned – as Dr Jordan’s landlady found out the hard way.

        “Fear of “talk” has kept many a woman quiet. Woman’s virtue has been heavy responsibility not to be forgotten for an instant.

        “Remember, Judge,” cried out a woman about to be sentenced for stealing, “that I am an honest woman.”

        “I believe you are,” replied the judge, “and I will be lenient with you.”

        The word “honest” as applied to women means “virtuous.” It has overshadowed all other virtues, and in a way appeared to make them of no account.” – Nellie McClung, In Times Like These, 1915. http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/mcclung/times/times.html

  2. I wonder if Jeremiah may be married – legally, even if he and the wife had parted ways a while back. Sneaking across the border is one thing, seems like it was to avoid paying a toll of sort for crossing, but bigamy would be a bigger crime.

    There is also the odd comment about her time with Jamie – that she felt like they were peaking through the key hole of her bedroom door – and she had one flower in her hair rather than the crown of them presumably they were making.

    Mary and Nancy have a few things in common, looks, pregnancy, a relationship with a wealthy man, and association with the rebels, whom were supposedly an uprising against the wealthy. Quite a few things in common.

    McDermott seems like a dangerous character – one gets the feeling that his beef with Nancy is more than it seems. If Nancy had sex with him previously, he could be the one who got her pregnant the first time. Since he was involved in the fight – it could be that he was away when she gave birth.

    Grace can be lying, down playing her own aspect of it, but wonder whether we should be reading up on the rebellion.

    1. I think Jeremiah is the type who doesn’t like being tied down to anything or anyone. He is probably the type who feels trapped.

      I want to say with the flower crown that could be inconsistency in the production or maybe she decided a crown was too girly so she wanted a single flower. As for the peeking through the keyhole comment, I think she said that because she came to realize how her moves were being watched. She was shooed away for the afternoon yet everyone seems to be minding her business. Her boss with a telescope, others simply by being nosey, and with knowing Nancy’s story comes the question if Mr. Kinnear was seeing her as next.

      I think McDermott is definitely dangerous, but is the type who requires being pushed. Making me wonder what was the straw which broke the camels back when it came to Nancy. He is upset due to being given notice, but unless he was the one who got her pregnant and… oh my god! Imagine if Nancy was already talking to Mr. Kinnear, wanted to make sure she didn’t have a baby to slow her down, and had McDermott’s baby killed? Then, out of spite, told him later on?

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