Shaun contemplating destroying Lea's car.

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  1. You make some valid points Amari while you still fall victim to the wicked writer’s game. You are still looking for excuses where there can only be explanations! You are well meaning, but even well-meaning prejudices against the impaired remain being prejudices. 😉

    Like me, Shaun is a high-functioning individual with ASD. He has probably above average IQ (he’ a MD after all), he pays taxes, he has the right to vote – he is far from being declared mentally incompetent. Therefore, he possesses freewill and must be held accountable for all his actions.

    If this incident of 3.18 had taken place in Germany and Lea decided to press charges, Shaun would probably (I’m no legal expert) stand trial for two criminal offences:

    § 303 StGB: tried property damage – fine or imprisonment up to 2 years;
    § 241 StGB: menace – fine or imprisonment up to 1 year in prison.

    Since Shaun is a first offender an no real harm was done, the judge would probably decide for suspension of sentence on probation with obligation to undergo therapy.

    You see? Shaun’s psychological condition must be taken into consideration, but it does not give him a wild card.

    From my more psychological perspective, Shaun’s diagnosis is a mere guidepost what approaches can be taken to improve his live – but he must go this path willingly or suffer the consequences of failing.

  2. I have wanted to do that to a couple of guys in my life, but I’m too much of a wuss!<<

    Obviously, you are an example for good emotional self-regulation and moral reasoning, Emily51. 😉 Shaun on the other hand… well, not so much.

    And Andreas, after reading your comments, it seems the research backs up that Shaun would be inclined to do that to Lea’s car.<<

    This is somewhat tricky to say. Simply put what the writers do is screening statistics on autism and picking behavior that will proceed their storyline. The statistics give you only a likelihood for a distinct behavior within a population or sample, they don’t say that every individual with ASD will display it at a certain time.

    There is an increased likelihood of violent behavior in autistic populations, so it was an option. But with Shaun there is also his childhood trauma about a violent father. Such violence can be “inherited”. Individuals who were beaten by their parents are more likely (!) to beat their own offspring and to exert violence against others. That’s the reason why educationalists and psychologists advocate for nonviolent upbringing.

    When I saw the promo photos of a desolated Shaun in his apartment before the episode aired, my best guess was another likelihood – suicidal ideation is even more likely within autistic populations (up to 66%!) than violent assault. But the writers went with an assault on Lea’s property instead, probably as a clear signal that her concerns against a romantic relationship are well founded.

    But I’m curious: I noticed that the woman who smashed up the patient’s car got away with it because he was too sick or not inclined to call the police. Do you think Shaun might not have wanted to smash Lea’s car if he had seen consequences for that violent action, instead of the girlfriend telling him how good it made her feel?<<

    Exactly. He did not see the negative consequences and therefore concluded it was a rightful expression of his emotions. His moral reasoning is compromised by his ASD. Individuals with autism like to follow rules. But they need to be explicitly told what the rules are.

    “Moral reasoning is a social– cognitive process by which one judges an action to be worthy of praise or blame. Moral reasoning may be viewed as a fundamental and specific capability encompassing normative evaluations of one’s own actions and the actions of others in light of their behaviors and mental states. Persons with ASD have more difficulty understanding and predicting the behaviors, beliefs, and intentions of others.” (White et al. 2017, p. 148)

    Concerning Claire, my bet is that her honeymoon of mental clarity will not last long. Melendez is still her direct superior and then there’s his unresolved situation with Lim, professionally as well as personally. They are not setting up a new couple but the first interpersonal conflict of season 4.

    1. Andreas – Thank you for the compliment! Now I will give you a compliment: Your English is excellent!! And thank you for answering my question about Shaun smashing Lea’s car. Your answer was interesting to read.

      With Melendez, I could be wrong, but it seems the whole storyline involving him and Dr, Lim has already been resolved. The show has not addressed it in many episodes, so I believe that means the writers have moved on to other issues like Melendez and Claire and, as Amari pointed out, Dr. Lim being a mentor or “mentee” to other doctors. But I’m not sure what you mean by an “interpersonal conflict” and who it exactly involves.

      1. Thank you Emily51, your compliment lifts my heart and makes me forget the wearisome years of studying your language. 😉 You’re welcome to ask me anything about ASD. For obvious reasons, it’s something I really can give informed advice about.

        Concerning Claire, Lim and Melendez: I guess with TGD no issue is closed for sure. Shaun caught Claire flirting with Melendez mid-season 1. In season 2 Lim and Melendez had thing. They pulled up Dash from season 2 as a plot device to make Claire thinking about her commitment issues… They don’t do straight stories in TGD. With the upcoming disaster episodes Claire and Melendez’s feelings will be fired up, either in Claire alone or in both. And Lim will be involved emotionally, too since Melendez life will be in danger. I wouldn’t write Lim’s feelings about the matter off yet.

        Amari picked that up already, with Lim we have seen the foreshadowing of two new plotlines in the last few episodes: mentorship and motherhood. Both themes are close, it’s about giving and taking care. Divorced chief of surgery Lim will probably feel lonesome soon, I guess. The show can’t constantly introduce additional characters because of runtime and complexity issues, to whom can Lim turn?

        And then, with the upcoming earthquake a classic trope of the action movies comes into play: characters in live-threatening situations start to bond. Sounds like a cliché, but there’s a reason why this has been around so long. It’s called misattribution of arousal in psychology: when individuals experience physiological responses related to fear for example, they might mislabel those responses as romantic arousal. This can supply the needed spark to drive a romantic plot forward. And conveniently for any drama, when the misattribution effect wears off the characters are likely to reconsider…

        1. You’re right that Claire and Melendez have been an ongoing storyline since Season 1. And I see how the upcoming earthquake will bring about romantic feelings with one or both of them. I still don’t think Lim’s feelings towards Melendez will be anything more then concern of the Chief of Surgery towards one of her surgeons and a friend concerned for another friend. But as Amari can attest to, whenever I make a prediction here, I am always wrong!

  3. Regarding that last scene with Shaun and Lea – As I have written before, I place part of the blame on Lea because she told Shaun she loved him, period. Not I love you as a friend or I love you but I’m not IN love with you, but I love you. So even neurotypical people would take that to mean the same thing Shaun did. But Shaun wanting to smash up Lea’s car was going too far and was too violent. And Andreas, after reading your comments, it seems the research backs up that Shaun would be inclined to do that to Lea’s car. But I’m curious: I noticed that the woman who smashed up the patient’s car got away with it because he was too sick or not inclined to call the police. Do you think Shaun might not have wanted to smash Lea’s car if he had seen consequences for that violent action, instead of the girlfriend telling him how good it made her feel? Either way, I don’t blame Shaun for yelling and insulting Lea because I think she led him on with the kiss and telling him she loved him. I have wanted to do that to a couple of guys in my life, but I’m too much of a wuss!

    Regarding Claire – When she said she was in love with her boss, I said (in my head) “Nooooo!!!” Are the writers that lame that they can’t think up a decent storyline for someone as talented as the actress that plays her?!? They have a good one with Morgan and her RA. And I like Dr. Lim and her mentor/sort of mentee mini-storyline. So give something decent to Claire!!

  4. Dear Amari, forgive me for re-using a text I wrote for another social media forum, but it might shed much light on your questions concerning Shaun’s latest behavior (and I need way more time to write in English). Your confusion is – again – a result of little knowledge about autism. An effect I strongly suppose to be volitional by the show.

    A flawed hero: The darkness in Murphy MD

    Psychology and creative writing have shared ambitions. Both aim to describe, explain, predict and control human behavior and cognition. Most is easier done with characters in a work of fiction, obviously.

    I’m really impressed with the finesse of The Good Doctor’s storytelling style. For weeks now, I hoped for Lea to speak up in length to make the audience understand her reasons for rejecting Shaun as a boyfriend.

    Instead, the writers showed us Lea’s concerns in detail:

    Shaun does not listen to her (2.2-6, 3.14, 3.15, 3.17);
    Shaun is not responsive to her emotional needs (1.11, 2.1-4, 2.7, 3.14, 3.15);
    and now in 3.18 – Shaun lashes out on her because he can’t process and control his own emotions properly.

    This is very elegant, simple yet concise storytelling, because it accomplishes much with little screen time:

    it’s stringent, because the story develops from already established character traits,
    it describes several negative autism-related traits and behavioral effects in one single story arc

    What’s the problem with Shaun’s ASD?
    – literal-mindedness: he tries to “fix it” by hanging toilet paper the other way;
    – naivety & moral reasoning: he is easily manipulated by other’s sentiments and actions (co-workers, patients, and patients’ associates);
    – hyper-focus: he has highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity;
    – perspective taking/theory of mind: he lacks reciprocity in relationships;
    – alexithymia as comorbidity: he has difficulties to identify and express his emotional states (“loves both but one more”);
    – emotional self-regulation: he has difficulties to regulate his emotional expression in a socially tolerable manner;
    – self-injurious (3.10!) and offensive behaviors (1.10, 2.17, 3.18!);
    – childhood trauma as comorbidity.

    Violent behavior is a known problem with autistic individuals: “The offenses linked to autism are usually arson, sexual assault, stalking, and in some rare cases, homicide (…).” (White, Meloy, Mohandie, & Kienlen, 2017, p. 145) A UK study by Balfe and Tantam (2010) on 42 individuals with high-functioning autism (like Shaun)/Asperger syndrome found that 84% of felt angered easily, 31% often hit other people and 15% had trouble with the police:

    “Problems with aggression and violence were also common. Berney […] notes that children with Asperger syndrome who have anxiety or mood problems are often more aggressive than those without, which may account for the high levels of violent behaviour reported in this study. Figures here match those supplied by Tantam […] though exceed by some threshold figures supplied in other studies […]. Other risk factors for violence in people with Asperger syndrome include impairments in interpreting nonverbal expressions, which can reduce empathy for other […], and feeling isolated and powerless, which are again characteristics shared by this sample.”

    “In his review, Im (2016) also concluded that descriptive case reports suggest the following features of ASD could increase the likelihood of violent acts: impaired theory-of-mind abilities; difficulty appropriately perceiving nonverbal cues; intense, restricted interests; and comorbid psychiatric disorders. The exact nature of such contributions—whether causation, correlation, mediation, or moderation—is not well understood at present.” (White et al., 2017, pp. 147–148)

    This storyline dives deep into darkness. Now, considering this—why is it that so many in social media have lashed out at Lea for rejection, but excuse Shaun’s misconduct? Because they want their heroes to be all good? Should autism be told as fairytale?

    REFERENCES
    Balfe, M., & Tantam, D. (2010). A descriptive social and health profile of a community sample of adults and adolescents with Asperger syndrome. BMC Research Notes, 3, 1–7. https://doi.org/10.1186/1756-0500-3-300
    White, S. G., Meloy, J. R., Mohandie, K., & Kienlen, K. (2017). Autism spectrum disorder and violence: Threat assessment issues. Journal of Threat Assessment and Management, 4(3), 144–163. https://doi.org/10.1037/tam0000089

    1. I think most have a need to see Shaun as a victim. It’s like shown on “Everything’s Gonna Be Okay” with the character Matilda, who is on the spectrum. When she has sex with someone, which we see she initiated, there is the question if she can give consent, despite her being high functioning.

      With Shaun, I think people, myself included likely, due to our ignorance due to not having someone with autism in our personal lives, aren’t necessarily sure how to see certain things which deal with Shaun. Especially as it is pushed autism is less of a spectrum and more like a slew of dials or levers. Making it so you aren’t sure what should and can be excused due to his autism, what is due to Dr. Glassman raising him, and what is purely Shaun? And while, in many ways, all of this together is Shaun, I think there is that unfortunate need for anyone who isn’t atypical, cis, and what have you, to always be the best representative of their community.

      Thus leaving Shaun, one of only a handful of depictions of a person with autism, maybe the sole one leading a program on network TV, having to carry the weight of an entire demographic.

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